Opened 11 years ago

Closed 10 years ago

Last modified 10 years ago

#526 closed change (fixed (in master))

Purge some artifacts

Reported by: takkaria Owned by: magnate
Milestone: 3.1.2 beta Keywords: items


It is often complained that some artifacts are useless. I don't particularly want to do the pruning myself, but maybe someone else might volunteer/would be up for it if asked.

Change History (11)

comment:1 Changed 11 years ago by takkaria

Narsil should go.

comment:2 Changed 11 years ago by mikon

Save our artifacts! Rebalance them and the game instead. This is the same deep problems as uselessness of expensive average weapons (that O solved partially, though it failed by introducing big constant damage bonus to branded weapons), etc.

I think, in particular making the early (low character level) part of the game longer would make early artifacts useful. It's absurd that often the first 20 CL take 100 times less than what is spent at maxed CL or even between, say CL 40 and CL 45. Recently Un reduced greatly the XP bonus from low-level diving, we'll see how it plays...

comment:3 Changed 10 years ago by magnate

  • Owner set to magnate
  • Status changed from new to assigned

I'll happily adjust depths and rarities of standard artifacts to make as many useful as possible. I'll equally happily remove those which cannot be made useful.

comment:4 Changed 10 years ago by magnate

  • Keywords items added

comment:5 Changed 10 years ago by magnate

  • Milestone changed from 3.2.0 to 3.1.2 beta

Bringing forward to 3.1.2 as this is going to need extensive testing before 3.2.0

comment:6 Changed 10 years ago by magnate

Per discussion on IRC with d_m, some additional considerations:

  • ensuring that all artifacts have combat plusses of at least (+9, +9) - with certain exceptions like Aglarang and Pain - as part of being considered useful.
  • adding Istari staves as caster artifacts (rblind/rconf/rsound, regen, stealth, INT etc. etc.) - this actually means a new base item type (tval and sval).

comment:7 Changed 10 years ago by magnate

  • Type changed from bug to change

This is dependent on #958 (for restoring Narsil and adding new artifacts)

comment:8 Changed 10 years ago by KZK

I don't think lack of combat pluses is a good metric of an Artifacts worth. It is really easy to up enchant weapons to (+10,+10) (Unless availability of the Enchant scrolls is going to be restricted).

comment:9 Changed 10 years ago by magnate

  • Resolution set to fixed
  • Status changed from assigned to closed

[fe0e2e5] (SVN r1706) is an overhaul of the artifact set, ensuring +9 or more dam on every weapon, and increasing the attractiveness of all the under-used items. I didn't actually delete any, preferring instead to find ways of making them more useful. The forum thread discussing the changes is

comment:10 Changed 10 years ago by magnate

Note to self: need to check the code to ensure that the few paradigm-breaking changes will work (Paurnimmen, Haradrim). Paurnimmen in particular needs a change to code which is currently specific to rings.

comment:11 Changed 10 years ago by magnate

[3d2a780] (SVN r1712) copes with Paurnimmen's brand, and any other brands or slays on nonweapons. Haradrim seems to work fine, but it cocks up #922, which now needs fixing.

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